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I really hope they overturn the penalty
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It was said repeatedly last year: DO NOT modify any supplied parts! Did they think the rules changed for 2023!Comment
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Another biased decision against Chevrolet and HMSComment
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What a sham. I knew when this cookie cutter car was announced that there would be issues that would cost the teams money. Whatever the teams saved in costs of the car, they lose in fines due to someone's incompetence. If indeed Hendrick was supplied with parts that didn't meet spec and Nascar didn't act; shame on them!Comment
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HMS crew chief replacements
Ives and Bowman are back together
Kyle Larson (No:5) : Kevin Meendering
Josh Berry (No:9) : Tom Gray
William Byron (No:24) : Brian Campe
Alex Bowman (No: 48) : Greg Ives
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Guess Nascar leadership needed some extra spending money since they are losing money every where else... 400,000.00 one pop.....
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Ol' Rick may have to sell alot more Honda's......Comment
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Will wait and see what happens with appeal. We will probably never know exactly what gets presented as the evidence but I do tend to believe a bit of what HMS put out in that statement.
Still though, without very clear guidance that they were OK, they don't go on the car. On a weekend with a brand new package taking away a large % of downforce to boot. They were consistent with the ones acessed against the 6 and 34 last season.
They take 'em out and still kick everyone's butt. Makes you wonder.Comment
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Kinda funny how Hendrick’s argument is “they came from the supplier not fitting right”
but they had ones that were fine after NASCAR confiscated the ones they didn’t like…🤷🏻♂️
oh ya….and “you caught us before the race so the penalty doesn’t fit” is rich.Comment
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I think nascar provided the set of louvers after they confiscated Hendrick's. And it looks like this was a persistant problem of which Hendrick claims to have documented evidence to support their claim. I wonder if they are still suffering from a supply problem/shortage and just didn't have additional louvers and the ones in questions were all they had. Who knows.
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Thunderstruck, no I’m just entertained by all the HMS fans squirming over this after ya’ll were popping champagne after Denny got DQ’d at Pocono last year. This is dumb, and so was that.
The louvre’s had nothing to do with Hendricks speed. 5 and 24 are crazy fast and it didn’t matter. Just like the piece of tape didn’t matter on dennys car. Whoever got out front at Pocono was gonna win. But NASCAR has set the precedent and they have to follow it…
The Hendrick statement is comical. Typical “we got caught and now we got deflect”
If the Louvres didn’t fit, why not just show up at the track without them in and go straight to the NASCAR hauler and say these crappy a$$ parts don’t fit?
I’m more annoyed by the talentless hack driving the 21 spinning out and costing Harvick the win -
Hey I am all supportive if people don't like HMS... I dont like Gibbs.... I enjoy the back and forth. And even enjoy the hater comments. Its Fandom,lolol....
I do agree this car is junk, NASCAR and its parts supplied to the teams are a joke. I miss the days of team engineering, finding the gray areas.... Pushing the limit and finding that speed. Now we have the IMSA copy cat car and sport....
Have fun man, bust the fans chops... thats what we are here for... 😆... I can't stand 2 face, 2 finger Denny,lol..... I was probably one of the loudest laughing at Denny...lol
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What I don't understand here based on Hendrick's comments is that if HMS had ill-fitting parts, then why didn't they go to NASCAR or the manufacturer instead of trying to modify it themselves? I feel like they only have a case here if they tried to go to NASCAR/manufacturer about it and then NASCAR/manufacturer didn't respond or didn't do anything about it. It ain't hard to make a phone call or send an email to fix this. They're HMS, if they make big enough noise NASCAR will provide them with proper parts. Or better yet, if this is a problem of things being not the proper part or made right, then why are other teams not having the same issues? Pretty bad excuses to me.
If the rule is to not modify a part, don't modify a part. No grey area there. Doesn't matter if it's a performance advantage or not, you don't modify a part.Comment
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And you would say that because that's what you hope the case is.... zonilug ..... because you want there to be a definite outcome, and HMS debacle...
Here is a fact HMS has communication with NASCAR and parts vendor of the issues. There was no performance gain from what Nascar confiscated. And the fact it was taken before qualification, and the race.... shows there is no malice. Because the Hendrick cars ran faster after parts were took....
Another fact, HMS has documentation of corresponding communication with this issue.... The fact you ignore that does show your bias. HMS has even reached out to parts provider. I enjoy a good dynamic in discussion. But ignoring facts presented and continuing the conspiracy that HMS wanted to get fined 500,000 dollars... wow... You and others won't be happy until its like the Ford debacle of late 90s and early 2000 body make issue Nascar had. -
Thunderstruck I literally do not want HMS to look bad. It just objectively looks bad when they show up to a track and get parts confiscated - which to me wouldn't happen if NASCAR and them were communicating. Why would they get a fine for $400k if they had been talking and NASCAR knew their specific situation? It doesn't make sense to me. I have absolutely no bias against HMS like you would like to believe I do.
Their comment about documented communication is also extremely vague, and to me, is just them saying NASCAR has been inconsistent overall and not specifically with HMS - if they were talking about direct communication between them and HMS why not be explicit about it and say that? It should have said "Documented inconsistent and unclear communication by the sanctioning body with Hendrick Motorsports specifically related to Louvers." It didn't say that which is why I'm saying these things.
I literally want NASCAR to be the ones looking bad here and have said that multiple times. I never once said HMS was full of it or even the bad guys here, I just suggested they should have been the ones to make NASCAR look bad and not end up the ones being fined or penalized in the end. I would love to see this get overturned because I want NASCAR to look bad.
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zonilug I guess it could be possible that HMS only had these inconsistent louvers; and with no direction from nascar, decided to install them on the phoenix cars with the idea going forward that they were well prepared to fight any penalty. I do agree that Nascar will look bad in the end as should the parts suppliers. As Chad Knaus said in his interview it's a sad situation for all involved.
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Like I said... overturned.Comment
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I like Hendrick and I got a lot of kernels for my Whirly pop so please keep this thread going.
Glad Bowman got points back, kickass start to the year and I've got to hear Greg Ives awkwardness on scanner audio for 2 races and 2 more!Raced version ELITES or GTFO!
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